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		<title>By: autblog</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>autblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucia:

You can email me at ken@autismnewsbeat.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucia:</p>
<p>You can email me at <a href="mailto:ken@autismnewsbeat.com">ken@autismnewsbeat.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lucia</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am doing a term paper for my english class on the contraversy of immunizatons and whether they are safe, effective, and neccessary. A major portion of my research deals with the link of vaccines to autism. Does anyone have facts or info pertaining to this subject?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doing a term paper for my english class on the contraversy of immunizatons and whether they are safe, effective, and neccessary. A major portion of my research deals with the link of vaccines to autism. Does anyone have facts or info pertaining to this subject?</p>
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		<title>By: MomNOS</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>MomNOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey whoAREu - 
Whats with the yelling?  Im not hearing much well reasoned discourse from you.  There is no link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey whoAREu &#8211;<br />
Whats with the yelling?  Im not hearing much well reasoned discourse from you.  There is no link.</p>
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		<title>By: HCN</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>HCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANB is a parent of an autistic child.   He also posts as Heraldblog elsewhere. 

Speaking of news, have you seen this:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14

Also, for a collection of blogs of autitistic adults, parents of autistic children and those who work with autistic people go here;
http://www.autism-hub.co.uk/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANB is a parent of an autistic child.   He also posts as Heraldblog elsewhere. </p>
<p>Speaking of news, have you seen this:<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14</a></p>
<p>Also, for a collection of blogs of autitistic adults, parents of autistic children and those who work with autistic people go here;<br />
<a href="http://www.autism-hub.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.autism-hub.co.uk/</a></p>
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		<title>By: whoAREu</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>whoAREu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you? Your &#039;About&#039; page isnt working?  I have been reading many of your threads here, and I am wondering, do you live with Autism each and every day? Does someone you love live with Autism?  When you talk about &#039;the debates&#039; between the possible link between Vaccines and Autism, I really can NOT believe you are stating what you are stating, I mean, you sound just like the people who are &#039;naive&#039; to think that there could possibly BE a link..oh wait, you must not be one of those silly Moms who want &#039;something to blame&#039;...really...COME ON!  You CAN not possibly 100% believe that there is NO connection between Autism and Vaccines? Especially since all of the wonderful TRUE studies you site all say that they have NOT found the cause of Autism...so if THEY cant say 100% that there isnt a link, then how can you?  And if they say that they dont know the cause, then how can THEY say without a doubt that there is NO connection?  
Going back to the start of my post, IF you ARE living with ASD or love someone on the spectrum, then share your story, maybe if you can personalize these very judgemental and NAIVE statements, I can understand where you are coming from.  If you are not personally affected, well, I guess I am just going to assume that you are just an angry person searching for someone to bash and call stupid....and if you arent THAT person, then, which pharm. company are you working for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you? Your &#8216;About&#8217; page isnt working?  I have been reading many of your threads here, and I am wondering, do you live with Autism each and every day? Does someone you love live with Autism?  When you talk about &#8216;the debates&#8217; between the possible link between Vaccines and Autism, I really can NOT believe you are stating what you are stating, I mean, you sound just like the people who are &#8216;naive&#8217; to think that there could possibly BE a link..oh wait, you must not be one of those silly Moms who want &#8216;something to blame&#8217;&#8230;really&#8230;COME ON!  You CAN not possibly 100% believe that there is NO connection between Autism and Vaccines? Especially since all of the wonderful TRUE studies you site all say that they have NOT found the cause of Autism&#8230;so if THEY cant say 100% that there isnt a link, then how can you?  And if they say that they dont know the cause, then how can THEY say without a doubt that there is NO connection?<br />
Going back to the start of my post, IF you ARE living with ASD or love someone on the spectrum, then share your story, maybe if you can personalize these very judgemental and NAIVE statements, I can understand where you are coming from.  If you are not personally affected, well, I guess I am just going to assume that you are just an angry person searching for someone to bash and call stupid&#8230;.and if you arent THAT person, then, which pharm. company are you working for?</p>
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		<title>By: Prometheus</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CDC makes a distinction between &quot;influenza-like illness&quot; (ILI) and influenza in its reports. If you would like to see the current report, go to:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

In these reports, they list pediatric deaths from laboratory-proven influenza, as well as nation-wide deaths attributed to pneumonia and &quot;influenza&quot;. The reported pediatric deaths are &lt;i&gt;definitely&lt;/i&gt; caused by influenza. 

Last influenza season (which runs from October to May), there were 68 deaths of children under 18 years of age that were from laboratory-proven influenza.  

Since there were a little over 74 million children under the age of 18 in Jan 2007 (rough middle of the &quot;flu&quot; season),  that works out to a shade under one in a million. Not bad odds, I suppose, unless it&#039;s your child.

Of course, the hospitalization rate &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; higher than the death toll. In the same influenza season, a little over 7,000 children aged 0 - 4 years were hospitalized with laboratory-proven influenza. 

And last season was a mild one. In the 2003 - 2004 influenza season, there were 152 deaths of children younger than 18 and almost 24,000 children 0 - 4 were hospitalized.

I suppose it all depends on whether you&#039;re willing to take the risk.

It&#039;s also worth considering the impact of vaccination on the deaths and hospitalizations. If there is a reasonable &quot;herd immunity&quot;, the people with poor immunity and those who aren&#039;t vaccinated are safer.


Prometheus


Prometheus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CDC makes a distinction between &#8220;influenza-like illness&#8221; (ILI) and influenza in its reports. If you would like to see the current report, go to:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm</a></p>
<p>In these reports, they list pediatric deaths from laboratory-proven influenza, as well as nation-wide deaths attributed to pneumonia and &#8220;influenza&#8221;. The reported pediatric deaths are <i>definitely</i> caused by influenza. </p>
<p>Last influenza season (which runs from October to May), there were 68 deaths of children under 18 years of age that were from laboratory-proven influenza.  </p>
<p>Since there were a little over 74 million children under the age of 18 in Jan 2007 (rough middle of the &#8220;flu&#8221; season),  that works out to a shade under one in a million. Not bad odds, I suppose, unless it&#8217;s your child.</p>
<p>Of course, the hospitalization rate <i>was</i> higher than the death toll. In the same influenza season, a little over 7,000 children aged 0 &#8211; 4 years were hospitalized with laboratory-proven influenza. </p>
<p>And last season was a mild one. In the 2003 &#8211; 2004 influenza season, there were 152 deaths of children younger than 18 and almost 24,000 children 0 &#8211; 4 were hospitalized.</p>
<p>I suppose it all depends on whether you&#8217;re willing to take the risk.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth considering the impact of vaccination on the deaths and hospitalizations. If there is a reasonable &#8220;herd immunity&#8221;, the people with poor immunity and those who aren&#8217;t vaccinated are safer.</p>
<p>Prometheus</p>
<p>Prometheus</p>
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		<title>By: autblog</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>autblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cochrane says: 

&lt;i&gt;In children and adults the consequences of influenza are mainly absences from school and work, however the risk of complications is greatest in children and people over 65 years old.&lt;/i&gt;

Another consequence is a worldwide pandemic similar to the 1919 Spanish flu outbreak that killed tens of millions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cochrane says: </p>
<p><i>In children and adults the consequences of influenza are mainly absences from school and work, however the risk of complications is greatest in children and people over 65 years old.</i></p>
<p>Another consequence is a worldwide pandemic similar to the 1919 Spanish flu outbreak that killed tens of millions.</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cochrane review finds some efficacy when used in the elderly although they caution that the studies that showed this had potential bias. This review was performed before the Lancet study was available (from above):

http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004876.html

This quote from the first article is interesting:

“The large gap between policy and what the data tell us (when rigorously assembled and evaluated) is surprising. The reasons for this situation are not clear and may be complex. The starting point is the potential confusion between influenza and influenza-like illness, when any case of illness resembling influenza is seen as real influenza, especially during peak periods of activity. Some surveillance systems report cases of influenza-like illness as influenza without further explanation. This confusion leads to a gross overestimation of the impact of influenza, unrealistic expectations of the performance of vaccines, and spurious certainty of our ability to predict viral circulation and impact. The consequences are seen in the impractical advice given by public bodies on thresholds of the incidence of influenza-like illness at which influenza specific interventions (antivirals) should be used.”

Please note that you won’t find any evidence to confirm the CDC’s death rates from Flu that they publish every year. Those numbers are used to justify the vaccine, but are almost certainly overestimated due to the inability to seperate flu vs flu-like illness. (let alone the lack of evidence of efficacy in many of the populations the flu vaccine is given to).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cochrane review finds some efficacy when used in the elderly although they caution that the studies that showed this had potential bias. This review was performed before the Lancet study was available (from above):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004876.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004876.html</a></p>
<p>This quote from the first article is interesting:</p>
<p>“The large gap between policy and what the data tell us (when rigorously assembled and evaluated) is surprising. The reasons for this situation are not clear and may be complex. The starting point is the potential confusion between influenza and influenza-like illness, when any case of illness resembling influenza is seen as real influenza, especially during peak periods of activity. Some surveillance systems report cases of influenza-like illness as influenza without further explanation. This confusion leads to a gross overestimation of the impact of influenza, unrealistic expectations of the performance of vaccines, and spurious certainty of our ability to predict viral circulation and impact. The consequences are seen in the impractical advice given by public bodies on thresholds of the incidence of influenza-like illness at which influenza specific interventions (antivirals) should be used.”</p>
<p>Please note that you won’t find any evidence to confirm the CDC’s death rates from Flu that they publish every year. Those numbers are used to justify the vaccine, but are almost certainly overestimated due to the inability to seperate flu vs flu-like illness. (let alone the lack of evidence of efficacy in many of the populations the flu vaccine is given to).</p>
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		<title>By: passionlessDrone</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>passionlessDrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Schwartz -

I love you.  

- pD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Schwartz -</p>
<p>I love you.  </p>
<p>- pD</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCN,

I&#039;m not sure why you posted that, but it contains no data at all on the flu vaccine.  The influenza vaccine in this paper is referring to HeB which is a childhood vaccine.  They don&#039;t even discuss it in the body of the paper.  

I also note that a lot of the references here come from industry funded studies which the Cochrane report (a semi-independent group) has clearly stated are filled with bias and design flaws. 

This paper was specifically written to promote widespread usage of the HPV vaccine.

So far that&#039;s 7 recent references to show lack of efficacy of the flu vaccine.  That represents a huge cost benefit problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCN,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you posted that, but it contains no data at all on the flu vaccine.  The influenza vaccine in this paper is referring to HeB which is a childhood vaccine.  They don&#8217;t even discuss it in the body of the paper.  </p>
<p>I also note that a lot of the references here come from industry funded studies which the Cochrane report (a semi-independent group) has clearly stated are filled with bias and design flaws. </p>
<p>This paper was specifically written to promote widespread usage of the HPV vaccine.</p>
<p>So far that&#8217;s 7 recent references to show lack of efficacy of the flu vaccine.  That represents a huge cost benefit problem.</p>
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