P.S. I’ve never liked the children-haters who refer to autistic children as a tsunami, but I’m increasingly fond of the phrase “a sewage tank of antivaxxers”.

“It is so important to remember that this harm that is caused by vaccines is a foreseeable harm. The insurance industry foresees the harm, and will not insure the pharmaceutical industry against this harm. Yet we as parents as being forced to give these dangerous substances to children in exchange for alleged free public education. This is simply wrong.” Fucetola said.

Ralph Fucetola JD, trustee of the Natural Solutions Foundation, a non governmental educational body, insisted that there is a universal right to vaccine exemptions.

The government can not mandate vaccines in this country until they own up to the fact that vaccines have side effects, cause injury, and admit they are protecting the pharmaceutical industry. Because vaccines are a Foreseeable harm insurance companies will not protect the pharmaceutical companies. So the governement and the big pharmaceutical lobby put in place the vaccine injury compensation fund. Which is funded by a tax on parents. This fund has paid our close to $2 billion dollars to people that were maimed, injured, murdered, and ended up with autism. Parents are limited to a 3 years to figure out what went wrong with their child. In a culture of lies and denials that protects the medical establishment.

So again let me bottom line this for you. You have to pay a tax to protect the people that are forcing you to put something into your child’s body that could maim, kill, or steal their ability to communicate. Isn’t it about time parents got a little angry. We have been told lies for too many years.

Now we are getting blasted by all sides. Recently almost $22 million was given to a researcher Dr. Nancy Minshew that refuses to look at the vaccine link to autism. She is treated to a Pop Star/ Rock Star life while parents in the trenches fight to stay out of bankruptcy. How can we give another $22 million to somebody who has produced nothing for parents in researching this for the last 20 years.
http://www.popcitymedia.com/features/minshew0712.aspx
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/10/how-fitting-tha.html

Wake up parents our only hope is to unite as one…And see if we can get this old democratic engine to represent the people….

Ok Katie… now we have gone to far. I said yesterday that the AOA article on Every Child by Two gave me enough ammunition to fight and forget my coffee. Now you have me fired up…
I can just imagine 5 to 10 years from now, when the facilities are over run, parents are committing suicide, parents are killing their children, children are abandoned (do A search for the new Nebraska law), and Congress gets their act together to realize that they need to bail out parents and the system to help these now grown poisoned kids…

Oh wait…All that has happened except for the part where Congress wakes up to the tune of about a trillion dollars…

Anyway, Just imagine when they put Miss Nancy on the stand to see what she has done with the approx. 30 Million she has wasted in the last 25 – 30 years. This genetic and symptom research is going nowwhere. I do not need a multi million dollar study to tell me that my son does not yawn when I do. Just ask any parent… We will tell you. They stare at our mouths and not into our eyes.

I think the public outrage is going to a lot louder than hunting trips, sales reward banquets, and spa treatments were for AIG. At least in AIG’s case they are a corporation which at its non-existent heart is supposed to be a money sucking pig. What is Nancy’s defence going to be…. I hope and pray that our recovered children are the ones asking the questions in the senate, congress, and as lawyers getting the true amount owed to our kids by the pharmaceutical industry. Thank God there is no statute of limitations in Hell…

Oh I almost forgot..Thanks again Katie!
http://www.causecast.org/member/tanners-dad

Uh, yeah… “they” is one person with an agenda who just happens to have a “belief”.

Big freaking whoop.

http://www.commercial-news.com/local/local_story_186003307.html

There it is, right next to the photo of the pope and the president, the lead story in USA Today: “Reports: Data on Vioxx misused.” Subhed: “Documents suggest risk was downplayed.”

In brief – USA Today’s specialty – it turns out that Merck “apparently downplayed evidence showing the painkiller tripled the risk of death in Alzheimer’s-prone patients, researchers report today. A separate analysis of court documents revealed that many Vioxx studies were prepared or written by Merck employees or paid consultants, not the doctors named as the studies’ lead authors, researchers say.”

I’d have to say that “Tanners [sic] Dad” – despite his attempts to twist your points into his points – doesn’t agree with any of them.

[1] Correlation is a good indication for “further research”, but when that “further research” fails to pan out, it’s time to drop it.

[2] The reason that parents’ “stories” or “narratives” aren’t data points is that the parents are not objective observers – they have a very strong desire to see improvement with treatment or to assign blame where there is deterioration.

In addition, autistic children improve, develop and progress with no treatment at all. As a result, we need to compare the “treatment” with “placebo” and we need to compare the reported “causes” of autism with objective records of what actually happened when.

Sad to say, even a thousand “narratives” do not equal a single data point. “Eye witness” testimony is just too unreliable. Ask any criminal lawyer how many times solid forensic evidence (and even video recordings) have shown “eye witness” accounts to be in error.

[3] If the “vaccinated vs unvaccinated” study were done and – as is most likely – failed to show a connection, would “Tanners [sic] Dad” move on? Maybe – maybe not.

Nobody in the scientific community is too excited about doing such a study because the existing data (it has been done, on smaller scales) suggests that it will show that vaccines don’t cause autism. As a result, it would be a tremendous waste of time and money and wouldn’t be believed by people who have already made up their minds. We already have seen that in Sallie Bernard’s “minority opinion” on the recent thimerosal study.

[4] “Big Pharma”, the “supplement industry” and the “alternative practitioners” all have one thing in common: they’re in it for the money.

What they don’t have in common is oversight. Even if you scorn the FDA’s abilitiy to oversee “Big Pharma”, the “supplement industry” is essentially unregulated and “alternative practitioners” are only brought to task after they have killed someone – often more than one “someone”.

If “Big Pharma” is “poisoning us”, then the “supplement industry” and the “alternative practitioners” could be committing wholesale slaughter before it were detected.

[5] I think that “Tanners [sic] Dad” has shown clearly enough that he has closed his mind to any new information on this topic. Why bother?

Prometheus

At what point does anecdotal evidence become a query point? I don’t think you can put a number on it. But I also don’t think that the more people believe something to be true, the more likely it is to be true. You don’t have to search history very long to find examples of large swaths of a population believing the same thing that later turned out not to be true.

How to help kids like your son and mine? I can’t speak for you, but I find that sticking to evidence helps. I also know these kids need accommodation and acceptance, and parents who don’t spend time and resources chasing down quack treatments. What kind of message does it send to a kid that he is poisoned when he isn’t? My son is already learning disabled – why should I add shame and hopelessness to his burden?

2. Agreement-Anecdotal evidence is unreliable.
Question… at what point does Anecdotal become a query point… 100 parents, 500 parents, 1000 parents, 5000 now going to court? the 50,000 + that were denied due process from the statute of limitations?

3. Agreement and no discussion- The scientific method is the best way we have of separating truth from nonsense… DO THE REQUESTED STUDY…. Vaccinated vs. Non-vacinated.

4. Agreement but not on topic. Other than there are a lot of quacks making a lot of money of poor parents looking for answers…Health care fraud and bias is a problem…. People who don’t understand how big Pharma is poisoning us are easy marks.

5. Now we agree… How do we help my son and the millions like him… The old group homes where they were sent to die do not exist anymore… and for some reason I thought we were a little more civilized than just throw them out into the street to die. Especially when new evidence show autistics can communicate… We just do not speak their language.

Here’s a little test to get back on the same page. If you agree with the following four points, they you and I have no major disagreements:

1. Correlation is not the same as causation
2. Anecdotal evidence is unreliable
3. The scientific method is the best way we have to separating truth from nonsense
4. Health care fraud is a problem, and people who don’t understand the first three points are easy marks.

And who’s talking about someone being in denial? For that matter, who called you an idiot? Project all you want, but not here, please.