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		<title>By: Regan</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-2#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robyne said,
&quot;Okay, so this Sullivan guy who is a self proclaimed ‘knower of everything’ is gay (this is obviously good for our children and the people of this blog to look up too when it comes to listening to someone telling what is good for your children)...&quot;
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Yes, ANDREW Sullivan is, and has never made any bones about it. David Kirby is also, for that matter, and ditto.
And your particular point is...? 

What does anyone being gay or not, (or a liberal or not, for that matter) have to do with Amy Tuteur&#039;s article or (the other) Sullivan&#039;s review and critique of Julie Deardorff&#039;s articles? 

Or was that just a gratuitous and seemingly desperate attempt at homophobic ad hominem?
Offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robyne said,<br />
&#8220;Okay, so this Sullivan guy who is a self proclaimed ‘knower of everything’ is gay (this is obviously good for our children and the people of this blog to look up too when it comes to listening to someone telling what is good for your children)&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Yes, ANDREW Sullivan is, and has never made any bones about it. David Kirby is also, for that matter, and ditto.<br />
And your particular point is&#8230;? </p>
<p>What does anyone being gay or not, (or a liberal or not, for that matter) have to do with Amy Tuteur&#8217;s article or (the other) Sullivan&#8217;s review and critique of Julie Deardorff&#8217;s articles? </p>
<p>Or was that just a gratuitous and seemingly desperate attempt at homophobic ad hominem?<br />
Offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: AutismNewsBeat</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-2#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>AutismNewsBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that was Ed Sullivan?</description>
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		<title>By: HCN</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-1#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>HCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think she is reacting to the post I listed.  I don&#039;t think she realized that there is more than one &quot;Sullivan&quot;.

Is there something you have against Disney/Pixar movies?  See:
http://www.animationusa.com/wd02/wd202n.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think she is reacting to the post I listed.  I don&#8217;t think she realized that there is more than one &#8220;Sullivan&#8221;.</p>
<p>Is there something you have against Disney/Pixar movies?  See:<br />
<a href="http://www.animationusa.com/wd02/wd202n.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.animationusa.com/wd02/wd202n.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: AutismNewsBeat</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-1#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>AutismNewsBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does Andrew Sullivan have to do with this post? Did you wander into the wrong blog by mistake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Andrew Sullivan have to do with this post? Did you wander into the wrong blog by mistake?</p>
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		<title>By: Robyne Rohde</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-1#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyne Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so this Sullivan guy who is a self proclaimed &#039;knower of everything&#039; is gay (this is obviously good for our children and the people of this blog to look up too when it comes to listening to someone telling what is good for your children), he supports Obama who covorts with known terrorists and whose wife has never been proud to be an American until, oh yes, until her husband had the chance to become the president (like that is going to happen)....he believes in legalizing pot....shall I go on?  Okay folks, if this is the kind of person you look to for answers regarding your &#039;evidenced based jouralism&#039;....I&#039;m wasting my time with stark raving liberals......who are simply out for self gratification at anyone&#039;s expense.

&lt;em&gt;Admin:  Ms. Rhode assumes that the commenter &quot;Sullivan&quot; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;. That is an incorrect assumption.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so this Sullivan guy who is a self proclaimed &#8216;knower of everything&#8217; is gay (this is obviously good for our children and the people of this blog to look up too when it comes to listening to someone telling what is good for your children), he supports Obama who covorts with known terrorists and whose wife has never been proud to be an American until, oh yes, until her husband had the chance to become the president (like that is going to happen)&#8230;.he believes in legalizing pot&#8230;.shall I go on?  Okay folks, if this is the kind of person you look to for answers regarding your &#8216;evidenced based jouralism&#8217;&#8230;.I&#8217;m wasting my time with stark raving liberals&#8230;&#8230;who are simply out for self gratification at anyone&#8217;s expense.</p>
<p><em>Admin:  Ms. Rhode assumes that the commenter &#8220;Sullivan&#8221; is <a href="http://" rel="nofollow">Andrew Sullivan</a>. That is an incorrect assumption.</em></p>
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		<title>By: HCN</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-1#comment-1417</link>
		<dc:creator>HCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on Deardorff:
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1223</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Deardorff:<br />
<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1223" rel="nofollow">http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1223</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robyne Rohde</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-1#comment-1416</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyne Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is some &#039;evidenced based journalism&#039; for you:
Why Some Parents Question Vaccines
      
            &quot;Measles cases in the U.S. are at the highest level in more than a decade, with nearly half of those involving children whose parents rejected vaccination, health officials reported.&quot;--Mike Stobbe of the Associated Press.

      By Julie Deardorff, Chicago Tribune.
tinyurl.com/6jeszp
      
      From a public health standpoint, a drop in vaccination rates is considered a crisis because it increases the chances of a mass disease outbreak.
      But the real crisis is not that some parents skip or delay vaccination because they believe vaccines might pose health risks or are linked to autism. It&#039;s that they&#039;re losing confidence in public health officials and policy, partly because vaccines are being forced on them, regardless of their personal desires or beliefs.
      The mistrust began in 1997 when Congress asked the Food and Drug Administration to measure the levels of the mercury-based preservative thimerosal found in vaccines. At the same time, the Internet was dramatically changing how the public accessed medical information.
      Safety standards for thimerosal did not exist, but the finding that six-month-old children could be exposed to 187.7 micrograms of mercury (more than 80 micrograms above the recommended limit for methylmercury, a related compound) prompted safety concerns. Thimerosal was removed from many (but not all) vaccines as a precaution.
      Meanwhile, the number of new and required vaccines kept rising. Immunization against diseases that were once a childhood rite of passage and that conferred lifelong immunity, such as chickenpox, was now mandated for public school.
      In 1982, the Centers for Disease Control recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines for children up to age 6.
      Today, children are supposed to receive 48 doses of 12 vaccines by age six. (Toss in the flu shot, which may or may not be effective, and it boosts the number to 69 doses of 16 vaccines by age 18.)
      Even if the vaccines do not have thimerosal, parents are wondering, &quot;Why do I have to give my child a Hepatitis B shot at birth?&quot; And &quot;Why have more than two dozen states tried to mandate the vaccine for humanpapilloma virus (HPV) when we still lack evidence that it&#039;s effective against cervical cancer, something  Dr. Charlotte Haug pointed out in the New England Journal of Medicine?&quot;
      Other developments that have undermined the public&#039;s faith in health officials:
      * Officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) fudged data to prove that Hurricane Katrina survivors were not getting sick from their FEMA trailers, Democratic lawmakers charged. In fact, residents were breathing in formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.
      * Last year, a week after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control announced that the influenza vaccine was effective against only 40 percent of the season&#039;s flu viruses, it recommended that all children over the age of 6 months get a flu shot.
      * In February, health officials announced that the combination vaccine Pro Quad, which protects against measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox, may pose some health risks.
      * Research suggests that America might be over-vaccinating its kids and that we might want to re-evaluate and adjust the immunization schedule. But not because of health concerns; the vaccines might just be unnecessary and waste a lot of money according to the study by researchers with Oregon Health &amp; Science University published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
      * The American Academy of Pediatrics recommended issuing cholesterol drugs to ward off heart disease for some children as young as 8, even though there&#039;s a lack of evidence that the use of statins in children would prevent heart attacks later in life.       * A study in the journal Pediatrics found that 33 percent of pediatricians would strongly recommend the rotavirus vaccine, if it were up to the doctor&#039;s discretion. But if it becomes an &quot;official&quot; recommendation by the AAP, that number goes up to 50 percent. Likewise 20 percent of pediatricians would recommend against it, but that number goes down to 11 percent if it is officially recommended for routine use. &quot;This basically indicates that some pediatricians are willing to disregard their honest feelings about what is best for their patients and are unwilling to &quot;buck the system,&quot; my pediatrician told me. &quot;Instead, they will blindly follow the dictates of the AAP.&quot;
      * The AAP issued a sample letter to pediatricians suggesting that physicians tell parents who refuse to vaccinate that they have a &quot;self-centered and unacceptable attitude&quot; since their child is getting protection from others who have chosen to vaccinate. Parents who absolutely refuse to vaccinate could be booted from your pediatrician&#039;s practice.
      * In Maryland, parents who didn&#039;t vaccinate their children against chickenpox and Hepatitis B were threatened with jail time and fines.
      Vaccines represent social health without regard to individuals. That&#039;s how they work. But threatening parents--especially American parents who pride themselves on rugged individualism--will not inspire them to vaccinate their children.
      We don&#039;t know what causes autism or the other chronic childhood disorders that are increasing, including asthma, allergy and attention deficit disorder. Until we do, parents should have the right to ask as many questions as they need to. We routinely question the safety of most things we put in our children&#039;s bodies, whether it&#039;s food, herbs, over-the-counter medications or prescription drugs. Vaccines should not be an exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some &#8216;evidenced based journalism&#8217; for you:<br />
Why Some Parents Question Vaccines</p>
<p>            &#8220;Measles cases in the U.S. are at the highest level in more than a decade, with nearly half of those involving children whose parents rejected vaccination, health officials reported.&#8221;&#8211;Mike Stobbe of the Associated Press.</p>
<p>      By Julie Deardorff, Chicago Tribune.<br />
tinyurl.com/6jeszp</p>
<p>      From a public health standpoint, a drop in vaccination rates is considered a crisis because it increases the chances of a mass disease outbreak.<br />
      But the real crisis is not that some parents skip or delay vaccination because they believe vaccines might pose health risks or are linked to autism. It&#8217;s that they&#8217;re losing confidence in public health officials and policy, partly because vaccines are being forced on them, regardless of their personal desires or beliefs.<br />
      The mistrust began in 1997 when Congress asked the Food and Drug Administration to measure the levels of the mercury-based preservative thimerosal found in vaccines. At the same time, the Internet was dramatically changing how the public accessed medical information.<br />
      Safety standards for thimerosal did not exist, but the finding that six-month-old children could be exposed to 187.7 micrograms of mercury (more than 80 micrograms above the recommended limit for methylmercury, a related compound) prompted safety concerns. Thimerosal was removed from many (but not all) vaccines as a precaution.<br />
      Meanwhile, the number of new and required vaccines kept rising. Immunization against diseases that were once a childhood rite of passage and that conferred lifelong immunity, such as chickenpox, was now mandated for public school.<br />
      In 1982, the Centers for Disease Control recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines for children up to age 6.<br />
      Today, children are supposed to receive 48 doses of 12 vaccines by age six. (Toss in the flu shot, which may or may not be effective, and it boosts the number to 69 doses of 16 vaccines by age 18.)<br />
      Even if the vaccines do not have thimerosal, parents are wondering, &#8220;Why do I have to give my child a Hepatitis B shot at birth?&#8221; And &#8220;Why have more than two dozen states tried to mandate the vaccine for humanpapilloma virus (HPV) when we still lack evidence that it&#8217;s effective against cervical cancer, something  Dr. Charlotte Haug pointed out in the New England Journal of Medicine?&#8221;<br />
      Other developments that have undermined the public&#8217;s faith in health officials:<br />
      * Officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) fudged data to prove that Hurricane Katrina survivors were not getting sick from their FEMA trailers, Democratic lawmakers charged. In fact, residents were breathing in formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.<br />
      * Last year, a week after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control announced that the influenza vaccine was effective against only 40 percent of the season&#8217;s flu viruses, it recommended that all children over the age of 6 months get a flu shot.<br />
      * In February, health officials announced that the combination vaccine Pro Quad, which protects against measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox, may pose some health risks.<br />
      * Research suggests that America might be over-vaccinating its kids and that we might want to re-evaluate and adjust the immunization schedule. But not because of health concerns; the vaccines might just be unnecessary and waste a lot of money according to the study by researchers with Oregon Health &amp; Science University published in the New England Journal of Medicine.<br />
      * The American Academy of Pediatrics recommended issuing cholesterol drugs to ward off heart disease for some children as young as 8, even though there&#8217;s a lack of evidence that the use of statins in children would prevent heart attacks later in life.       * A study in the journal Pediatrics found that 33 percent of pediatricians would strongly recommend the rotavirus vaccine, if it were up to the doctor&#8217;s discretion. But if it becomes an &#8220;official&#8221; recommendation by the AAP, that number goes up to 50 percent. Likewise 20 percent of pediatricians would recommend against it, but that number goes down to 11 percent if it is officially recommended for routine use. &#8220;This basically indicates that some pediatricians are willing to disregard their honest feelings about what is best for their patients and are unwilling to &#8220;buck the system,&#8221; my pediatrician told me. &#8220;Instead, they will blindly follow the dictates of the AAP.&#8221;<br />
      * The AAP issued a sample letter to pediatricians suggesting that physicians tell parents who refuse to vaccinate that they have a &#8220;self-centered and unacceptable attitude&#8221; since their child is getting protection from others who have chosen to vaccinate. Parents who absolutely refuse to vaccinate could be booted from your pediatrician&#8217;s practice.<br />
      * In Maryland, parents who didn&#8217;t vaccinate their children against chickenpox and Hepatitis B were threatened with jail time and fines.<br />
      Vaccines represent social health without regard to individuals. That&#8217;s how they work. But threatening parents&#8211;especially American parents who pride themselves on rugged individualism&#8211;will not inspire them to vaccinate their children.<br />
      We don&#8217;t know what causes autism or the other chronic childhood disorders that are increasing, including asthma, allergy and attention deficit disorder. Until we do, parents should have the right to ask as many questions as they need to. We routinely question the safety of most things we put in our children&#8217;s bodies, whether it&#8217;s food, herbs, over-the-counter medications or prescription drugs. Vaccines should not be an exception.</p>
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		<title>By: HCN</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-1#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>HCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a stupid argument that is used when you do not have facts to counter with.

That does not matter... I know of other real doctors who have not kept up the the very expensive board certification when they have retired or gone on to other jobs.  The important thing is that she has gone to medical school, and that cannot be taken away from her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a stupid argument that is used when you do not have facts to counter with.</p>
<p>That does not matter&#8230; I know of other real doctors who have not kept up the the very expensive board certification when they have retired or gone on to other jobs.  The important thing is that she has gone to medical school, and that cannot be taken away from her.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/49/comment-page-1#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dr&quot; Amy Tuteur is NOT a real doctor. She does NOT have a medical license. Her calling herself an MD is an act of fraud. Call the Massacheusetts medical Board, they will tell you that she has not been licensed since 2003. 

Get an opinion from a REAL  doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dr&#8221; Amy Tuteur is NOT a real doctor. She does NOT have a medical license. Her calling herself an MD is an act of fraud. Call the Massacheusetts medical Board, they will tell you that she has not been licensed since 2003. </p>
<p>Get an opinion from a REAL  doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: Measles Outbreak Illustrates Hidden Costs Of Trusting “People Like Us” &#124; Envisioning 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Measles Outbreak Illustrates Hidden Costs Of Trusting “People Like Us” &#124; Envisioning 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on a New York Times story about the vaccination debate, Amy Tuteur, MD discussed why she believes the anti-vaccination argument is so powerful.  She [...]</description>
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