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	<title>Comments on: Olmsted Lied, People Laughed:The “Amish Anomaly” hoax</title>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Two sources I have contacted indicate the rate of non-idiopathic autism it is indeed lower.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure, but they can&#039;t really know that unless they have screened and evaluated. I&#039;m betting they are simply wrong. In fact, 6 children with &quot;low functioning&quot; autism in Lancaster County is  not a low count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Two sources I have contacted indicate the rate of non-idiopathic autism it is indeed lower.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, but they can&#8217;t really know that unless they have screened and evaluated. I&#8217;m betting they are simply wrong. In fact, 6 children with &#8220;low functioning&#8221; autism in Lancaster County is  not a low count.</p>
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		<title>By: autblog</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-7215</link>
		<dc:creator>autblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people will never be satisfied. They just &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; it has to be the vaccines, and any study to the contrary will be suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people will never be satisfied. They just <i>know</i> it has to be the vaccines, and any study to the contrary will be suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Alpo</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-7214</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just perform a vaccinated v never vaccinated study with independent examiners and we can all quit blabbing and have some hard, reliable science? End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just perform a vaccinated v never vaccinated study with independent examiners and we can all quit blabbing and have some hard, reliable science? End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-6845</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If they ever carry out an exhaustive state-of-the-art prevalence study of autism among the Amish, I predict they will find autism is considerably more common there than normal.&lt;/i&gt;

Two sources I have contacted indicate the rate of non-idiopathic autism  it is indeed lower.  These are nonscientific surveys, one very nonscientific.  They also note that the vaccination rate has increased dramatically in the last 15 years,  with no concurrent increase in autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If they ever carry out an exhaustive state-of-the-art prevalence study of autism among the Amish, I predict they will find autism is considerably more common there than normal.</i></p>
<p>Two sources I have contacted indicate the rate of non-idiopathic autism  it is indeed lower.  These are nonscientific surveys, one very nonscientific.  They also note that the vaccination rate has increased dramatically in the last 15 years,  with no concurrent increase in autism.</p>
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		<title>By: Prometheus</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-6829</link>
		<dc:creator>Prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important to note that it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; possible that the Amish (and Mennonites) have a lower prevalence of autism -  for the very same reason that they have a higher-than-average incidence of genetic disorders.

The Amish  and Mennonites (especially the &quot;Old Order&quot; Amish and Mennonites) have a higher-then-average incidence of genetic disorders because of a high level of inbreeding. 

I don&#039;t mean the &lt;i&gt;Deliverance&lt;/i&gt; sort of marry-your-cousin inbreeding (although that may also occur), but the sort of inbreeding that occurs when a small population doesn&#039;t marry outside of their group (and those that do move away from the group) and few (or no) &quot;outsiders&quot; join the group. This describes the Amish and Mennonites pretty well and has been going on for over a century and a half. 

In &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; small inbred population, the genetic diversity drops over time because of the tendency to &quot;lose&quot; alleles for each gene through genetic drift. Eventually, this can lead to deleterious alleles (&quot;bad mutations&quot;) becoming more prevalent. This greatly increases the chance that two parents will each have a copy of the defective allele, which in turn greatly increases the chance of their children having two copies (and thus manifesting the genetic disorder).

But, there is a &quot;flip&quot; side to genetic drift in a small, inbreeding population. The prevalence of a deleterious gene can also &lt;i&gt;decrease&lt;/i&gt; (or even go to zero), leading to &lt;i&gt;lower-than-average&lt;/i&gt; incidence of a particular genetic disorder. Thus, it is &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; that the Amish (and Mennonites) have &lt;i&gt;lost&lt;/i&gt; some of the susceptibility alleles for autism. 

Unfortunately, we have &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; good data on the prevalence of autism among the Amish - Mr. Olmsted&#039;s half-hearted attempts notwithstanding. But, even if we &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; find that the Amish have a lower prevalence of autism, it &lt;i&gt;would not&lt;/i&gt; necessarily have &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; to do with vaccination. In fact, the &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; likely cause would be genetic drift and the loss of &quot;autism alleles&quot;.

This brings up the larger problem of studying groups that don&#039;t vaccinate. In the case of the Amish, we&#039;d also have to confront the fact that they are not genetically similar to the general population. By this, I &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; mean that they are &quot;mutants&quot; (&lt;i&gt;ala&lt;/i&gt; &quot;X-Men&quot;) or that they aren&#039;t human, just that they have a drastically different genetic diversity (and allelic distribution) than the rest of the country. 

Also, if you compare the Amish to the rest of the country in respect to autism, why would you settle on &lt;i&gt;vaccines&lt;/i&gt; as the main difference - as Mr. Olmsted implies? Why not look at their television viewing habits (very different from the general population), their exposure to plastics or their mental stress levels? Why would &lt;i&gt;vaccination&lt;/i&gt; - arguably the practice the Amish share most with the rest of the country - be your focus?

Unless, of course, you had an agenda.

Prometheus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to note that it <i>is</i> possible that the Amish (and Mennonites) have a lower prevalence of autism &#8211;  for the very same reason that they have a higher-than-average incidence of genetic disorders.</p>
<p>The Amish  and Mennonites (especially the &#8220;Old Order&#8221; Amish and Mennonites) have a higher-then-average incidence of genetic disorders because of a high level of inbreeding. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean the <i>Deliverance</i> sort of marry-your-cousin inbreeding (although that may also occur), but the sort of inbreeding that occurs when a small population doesn&#8217;t marry outside of their group (and those that do move away from the group) and few (or no) &#8220;outsiders&#8221; join the group. This describes the Amish and Mennonites pretty well and has been going on for over a century and a half. </p>
<p>In <i>any</i> small inbred population, the genetic diversity drops over time because of the tendency to &#8220;lose&#8221; alleles for each gene through genetic drift. Eventually, this can lead to deleterious alleles (&#8220;bad mutations&#8221;) becoming more prevalent. This greatly increases the chance that two parents will each have a copy of the defective allele, which in turn greatly increases the chance of their children having two copies (and thus manifesting the genetic disorder).</p>
<p>But, there is a &#8220;flip&#8221; side to genetic drift in a small, inbreeding population. The prevalence of a deleterious gene can also <i>decrease</i> (or even go to zero), leading to <i>lower-than-average</i> incidence of a particular genetic disorder. Thus, it is <i>possible</i> that the Amish (and Mennonites) have <i>lost</i> some of the susceptibility alleles for autism. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, we have <i>no</i> good data on the prevalence of autism among the Amish &#8211; Mr. Olmsted&#8217;s half-hearted attempts notwithstanding. But, even if we <i>did</i> find that the Amish have a lower prevalence of autism, it <i>would not</i> necessarily have <i>anything</i> to do with vaccination. In fact, the <i>most</i> likely cause would be genetic drift and the loss of &#8220;autism alleles&#8221;.</p>
<p>This brings up the larger problem of studying groups that don&#8217;t vaccinate. In the case of the Amish, we&#8217;d also have to confront the fact that they are not genetically similar to the general population. By this, I <i>don&#8217;t</i> mean that they are &#8220;mutants&#8221; (<i>ala</i> &#8220;X-Men&#8221;) or that they aren&#8217;t human, just that they have a drastically different genetic diversity (and allelic distribution) than the rest of the country. </p>
<p>Also, if you compare the Amish to the rest of the country in respect to autism, why would you settle on <i>vaccines</i> as the main difference &#8211; as Mr. Olmsted implies? Why not look at their television viewing habits (very different from the general population), their exposure to plastics or their mental stress levels? Why would <i>vaccination</i> &#8211; arguably the practice the Amish share most with the rest of the country &#8211; be your focus?</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you had an agenda.</p>
<p>Prometheus</p>
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		<title>By: Ivar TJ</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-6814</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivar TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This fails to interest me enough for me to figure out which posts by Olmsted this fuss derives from, but I’ve noticed it said several places that Olmsted never actually claimed that the Amish don’t vaccinate—but that he chose study the group because they allegedly vaccinate to a lesser degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This fails to interest me enough for me to figure out which posts by Olmsted this fuss derives from, but I’ve noticed it said several places that Olmsted never actually claimed that the Amish don’t vaccinate—but that he chose study the group because they allegedly vaccinate to a lesser degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-6771</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There may be more unvaccinated among the autistic than in the general population.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s easily the case even without considering the Amish, given that the siblings of autistic children are often unvaccinated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There may be more unvaccinated among the autistic than in the general population.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s easily the case even without considering the Amish, given that the siblings of autistic children are often unvaccinated.</p>
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		<title>By: David N. Brown</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-6765</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very safe bet, since, as I have pointed out, many genetic anomalies are more common in the Amish.  There may be a more general point to be made:  There may be more unvaccinated among the autistic than in the general population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very safe bet, since, as I have pointed out, many genetic anomalies are more common in the Amish.  There may be a more general point to be made:  There may be more unvaccinated among the autistic than in the general population.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-6761</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they ever carry out an exhaustive state-of-the-art prevalence study of autism among the Amish, I predict they will find autism is considerably more common there than normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they ever carry out an exhaustive state-of-the-art prevalence study of autism among the Amish, I predict they will find autism is considerably more common there than normal.</p>
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		<title>By: David N. Brown</title>
		<link>http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-6758</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t know this article was up here.  I&#039;ve made one correction in a later draft.   Apparently, Noonan claimed he saw most of his Amish patients during three years at an Amish/Mennonite &quot;Wellness Center&quot;, which I have so far been unable to identify.
To the question of &quot;who pays Olmsted&quot;, I think the question sidetracks from more important issues.  As I have commented often, I have never found financial gain to be satisfactory as an explanation of motive.  In Olmsted&#039;s case, I suspect it has much to do with his failure to make a mark in his profession on his own by legitimate means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t know this article was up here.  I&#8217;ve made one correction in a later draft.   Apparently, Noonan claimed he saw most of his Amish patients during three years at an Amish/Mennonite &#8220;Wellness Center&#8221;, which I have so far been unable to identify.<br />
To the question of &#8220;who pays Olmsted&#8221;, I think the question sidetracks from more important issues.  As I have commented often, I have never found financial gain to be satisfactory as an explanation of motive.  In Olmsted&#8217;s case, I suspect it has much to do with his failure to make a mark in his profession on his own by legitimate means.</p>
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